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Multi-Level Marketing: Is it legit or a pyramid scheme?

Brighan started this conversation

       I feel sympathy for all the people out there looking for work in this down-turned economy, in which case some people are drawn into employment opportunities to make money in their own business, such as Multi-level Marketing (MLM) or “Chain referral marketing” for an example.         

        I might suggest that if you feel that if any work-at-home job opportunity is too good to be true then it probably is--unless you have an unlimited supply of people to sell the products to or that you feel that you can risk your investment.       

      The controlling law in America is mixed when it involves recruiting distributors versus selling the product.       

       Below are some of the laws that I researched to help you. In any case, contact a lawyer if you have any questions. Many States differ about the Deceptive Business Practices Act, in which case I suggest you research the company by finding, contacting, and writing a complaint to all of the following links:

·         State Attorney General

 

·         Better Business Bureau

 

·         Federal Trade Commission

 

REMEMBER that without anyone reporting a fraudulent business practice allows people to take further advantage of people like you.      

       I would like to start with local and Federal laws that currently hold in our judicial system.      

       Each State has the Deceptive Practices Law concerning Multi-level marketing (MLM), or Chain referral sales, in which case my home State of Minnesota has the similar held law in State v. Solem, 301 Minn. 282; 222 N.W.2d 98; (Minn. 1974) –in which case the court noted that the statute only prohibited sales tactics that resulted in pyramid or multi-level distributorships.       

      However, the court of People ex rel. Hartigan v. Unimax, Inc., 168 Ill. App. 3d 718, 523 N.E.2d 26, 1988 Ill. App. LEXIS 375, 119 Ill. Dec. 558 (Ill. App. Ct. 1st Dist. 1988) stated its opinion that “Several courts interpret greater pressure on members to sponsor new recruits than to market company merchandise [***13]  as evidence of an illegal pyramid.”      

      To counteract the latter opinion about the inherently fraudulent nature of pyramid sales schemes was recognized and discussed in People ex rel. Fahner v. Walsh (1984), 122 Ill. App. 3d 481, 486-87, 461 N.E.2d 78, 82-83:
     "Pyramid programs * * * which induce a person to participate on the representation [***15]  that he or she cannot only regain the purchase price, but also reap profits by selling the plan to others, are inherently deceptive and contrary to public policy. ( Twentieth Century Co. v. Quilling (1907), 130 Wis. 318, 324-25, 110 N.W. 174, 176; Kugler v. Koscot Interplanetary, Inc. (1972), 120 N.J. Super. 216, 232, 293 A.2d 682, 690-91; State by Lefkowitz v. ITM, Inc. (1966), 52 Misc. 2d 39, 275 N.Y.S.2d 303; In re Holiday Magic, Inc. (Oct. 15, 1974), 84 F.T.C. 748.)

    The deception arises because the market eventually becomes saturated and the seemingly endless chain must end; consequently, many participants cannot even recoup their investments, let alone make a profit. ( State ex rel. Sanborn v. Koscot Interplanetary, Inc. (1973), 212 Kan. 668, 675-76, 512 P.2d 416, 423; Lefkowitz v. ITM, Inc. (1966), 52 Misc. 2d 39, 275 N.Y.S.2d 303; In re Holiday Magic, Inc. (Oct. 15, 1974), 84 F.T.C. 748.)"      

      The current judicial law interpreted, not legislative law based on intent,  held in People v. Knop, 249 Ill. App. 3d 605, 619 N.E.2d 203, 1993 Ill. App. LEXIS 1309, 188 Ill. Dec. 839 (Ill. App. Ct. 2d Dist. 1993) affirmed the defendant's conviction for promoting a pyramid sales scheme, as there was sufficient evidence that supported a finding that persons paid for an opportunity to participate in a plan that was designed to generate profits through the growth of its customer base.  

       "Pyramid selling" as defined by the Federal Trade Commission involves "inventory loading" and "head hunting fees.” Companies which engage in pyramid selling have a large inventory requirement for a new distributor and reward distributors for bringing into the business a new distributor, unrelated to the sale of product. The result emphasizes recruiting of new distributors [**9] rather than selling the products to consumers. Typically, these companies require new recruits to buy $2,000 to $5,000 in inventory with as much as half of that amount going to the recruiting distributor. Such schemes are often characterized by the payment by participants of money to the company in return for which they receive (a) the right to sell the product and (b) the right to receive, in return for recruiting other participants into the program, rewards which are unrelated to the sale of the product to ultimate users.    

        The court opinion of State ex rel. Miller v. American Professional Marketing, Inc., 382 N.W.2d 117 (Iowa 1986) wrote the Federal Trade Commission took this view of subsection (b) when it stated:      

       “As is apparent, the presence of this second element, recruitment with rewards unrelated to product sales, is nothing more than an elaborate chain letter device in which individuals who pay a valuable consideration with the expectation of recouping it to some degree via recruitment are found to be disappointed.”      

         However, the expert witness for the defendant in this case states that direct selling plans and indicated that they are not pyramid distribution plans because:                 

       (a) It has a professional management staff available to train and motivate distributors. Distributors are not charged for this service, nor are they required to take advantage of it.

       (b) A new product representative does not pay for the right to sell; he pays only $30 for a sales kit, which includes two bottles of product and related literature (product information and sales aids). [*121]

       (c) A product representative cannot sponsor (i.e., recruit) others. Hence, he does not buy the right to recruit, unrelated to selling product to ultimate users or consuming the product personally.

        I add here the court’s opinion that--[(d) There isn’t inventory loading or position buying.]

        I ask attorneys everywhere to ask—

       (1) what level of income qualifies inventory loading when the most people preyed upon are lower-income individuals,

       (2) when does selling inventory cross the line with recruiting others for residual income, and

       (3) How much money qualifies under the protection of law under People v. Knop?

    I found several great links to help your research to investigate if your proposed business is a legitimate MLM or what downfalls you might encounter--

·         FTC pamphlets

·         The Rip-Off Report—a public forum to report bad business practices and research.

·         MLM watch-- an exceptional MLM FAQ's.

·         Multi-Level Marketing Legit Deal or Pyramid.

·         What can happen if you join a scam--

·         How to start an MLM-- Guide on MLM and making it legal.

       Below is a sample letter, in which you can follow, of my experience that I wrote concerning about my encounter with a possible MLM fraud occurring in New Brighton, Minnesota. I have not received a response so far from any authorities; of course, the names of people are changed to protect their identity—                                                                    

                            There are FOUR pages total in this document.             

                           AFFIDAVIT OF DECLARATION and COMPLAINT

I, "Brighan", under oath on the laws of perjury in the State of Minnesota allege that MAC Inc., Symmetry Inc., and its independent distributors at 2730 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN 55112 conduct an unlawful business of chain referral marketing to deceive reasonable people looking for employment in violation of MINN STAT §325F.69 Subd 1, 2 (1) (2) (a) for which I am out of $34.35.                                                       

                                    RULE OF LAW 

325F.69 UNLAWFUL PRACTICES.
    Subdivision 1.
Fraud, misrepresentation, deceptive practices. The act, use, or employment by any person of any fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, misleading statement or deceptive practice, with the intent that others rely thereon in connection with the sale of any merchandise, whether or not any person has in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as provided in section 325F.70.
    Subd. 2.
Referral and chain referral selling prohibited. (1) With respect to any sale or lease the seller or lessor may not give or offer a rebate or discount or otherwise pay or offer to pay value to the buyer or lessee as an inducement for a sale or lease in consideration of the buyer's or lessee's giving to the seller or lessor the names of prospective purchasers or lessees, or otherwise aiding the seller or lessor in making a sale or lease to another person, if the earning of the rebate, discount or other value is contingent upon the occurrence of an event subsequent to the time the buyer or lessee agrees to buy or lease.
     (2) (a) With respect to any sale or lease, it shall be illegal for any seller or lessor to operate or attempt to operate any plans or operations for the disposal or distribution of property or franchise or both whereby a participant gives or agrees to give a valuable consideration for the chance to receive something of value for inducing one or more additional persons to give a valuable consideration in order to participate in the plan or operation, or for the chance to receive something of value when a person induced by the participant induces a new participant to give such valuable consideration including such plans known as chain referrals, pyramid sales, or multilevel sales distributorships. See State v. Thomas Arthur Solem, et al, 301 Minn.282; 222 N.W.2d 98 (Minn. 1974).
          (b) The phrase "something of value" as used in paragraph (a) above, does not mean or include payment based upon sales made to persons who are not purchasing in order to participate in the prohibited plan or operation.
     (3) If a buyer or lessee is induced by a violation of this subdivision to enter into a sale or lease, the agreement is unenforceable and the buyer or lessee has the option to rescind the agreement with the seller or lessor and, upon tendering the property received, or what remains of it, obtain full or in the case of remains, a proportional restitution of all sums paid, or retain the goods delivered and the benefit of any services performed without any further obligation to pay for them.  
 

                                                        FACTS

I would ask the Minnesota State Attorney General to research the following facts to protect the public:


 1. I allege that Symmetry, Inc. is an international company who provides services, training, and nutritional products to people who become members and buy “starter kits.” One of the starter kits cost $163.00 in which it includes the $12.00 sign-up fee and Web site construction. To me, the main marketing strategy is to bring other people inside the organization to become “independent distributors” of Symmetry products on the premise of wealth building and financial independence.      

    In addition, independent distributors engage with their leaders to entice invitees to buy and “invest” money in Symmetry nutritional products for training, meetings, and residual profit sharing based on building organizations of people beneath them.    

    I believe that MAC, Inc., and Symmetry, Inc., run on the false belief that they can escape from any liability from their quasi-employees’ or “Independent distributors” illegal actions at MAC, Inc., 2730 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN. See State v. Thomas Arthur Solem, et al, 301 Minn.282; 222 N.W.2d 98 (Minn. 1974).  

   2. On July 9, 2008, a woman named “Grace” gave my girlfriend Deb a phone number for me to call her for a job opportunity at (651) 642-1264.    

        Deb told "Grace" that I am legal student looking for employment. “Grace” told Deb she could contact me about a job where I do not have to worry about having a babysitter. Deb came home and directed me to call “Grace” about a job. 

   3. I called “Grace” to schedule an interview, in which she told me that she heard from Deb that I like to help people and that I could work part-time until I can settle myself into something. I asked “Grace” what the job is, but she hesitated to answer any questions so I could research the company where she works. “Grace” only said to come to 2730 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN 55112 for an individual meeting with her tomorrow. Grace only told me the name of the company is “MAC.” 

   4. On July 10, 2008, I arrived at MAC, Inc., for the scheduled interview with other people who I believed to be job applicants. The MAC, Inc., representatives directed the applicants to take a seat in a presentation room that contained a white board, a large screen TV, and a table off to the right displaying Symmetry nutritional products. 

   5. At 1:00 PM, the “six-figure leader” gave a two-hour long sales pitch on the promise of help, training, and organization building for investing in Symmetry nutritional products. The speaker gave a PowerPoint presentation where it showed the invitees the company belongs to the Better Business Bureau and the Direct Marketing Association.    

      The presentation consisted of two videos, one video depicting the Symmetry product named Genesis©, and the other video showing images of wealthy people living a wealthier lifestyle with personal testimony about selling Symmetry products.  

   6. The presentation speaker asked the invitees if they like to live in a better house, have a better car, and a better life. The presentation speaker than pitched the three different retail packages available to sell once the person joins with a $12.00 sign up fee, in which I believe to be illegal as a franchise fee. Banbury v. Omnitrition Int’l, 533 N.W.2d 876 (Minn. App. 1995).    

       In addition, the sales pitch also promoted the “Seeds of Success” seminar in Chicago on the weekend of July 27, 2008 for an extra $300.00, in which case I saw two people write out a check for the seminar. 

   7. Once the presentation finished, “Grace” took my resume even though by now I felt wary of a dubious business. “Grace” took me aside for a one-on-one discussion about signing me up as an independent distributor for Symmetry and MAC, Inc. I balked at the idea that I should give any money for a job opportunity, especially when I do not have any money. 

    8. “Grace” called over “Dave” who I believed to be her senior representative who then introduced himself and asked me about my financial concerns. I told the both of them that I cannot afford to invest in any adventure that requires money. “Dave” kept up the sales pressure on me to ask my girlfriend for the money or use credit cards. He then offered me to buy two “best-selling nutritional products” for $70.00 to start my business.    

        "Dave” stated, “He and “Grace” would help me build the business as an independent distributor because if I sell their products then “Grace” will get paid and he will get paid” [with residual profits]. I told “Dave” and “Grace’ that I would try to come up with the $163.00 for the starter package that contains the personal Web site. 

    9. Before I left the meeting, “Grace” gave me a DVD titled Imagine produced by Symmetry Inc., and some fact sheets about their nutritional products (attached). “Grace” told me to take the video home and watch it to see how my life can change for the better. I asked “Grace” how much money she made since she began three months earlier, in which case she evaded the answer with “I wouldn’t be here wasting my time if it wasn’t worth it. I’ll spend my time with my nine-year-old instead if it wasn’t worth it because my time is worth money.” 

    10. I watched the DVD supplied by “Grace,” in which case the second title in the menu—Imagine a Better Life—retells the same message from the group presentation. The video underlines the message of building personal wealth through investing and organization building to sell nutritional supplements. The disclaimer at the end of the DVD and the group presentation reinforces my belief that MAC, Inc., and Symmetry, Inc., violate MINN STAT §325F.69 Subd 1, 2 (1) (2) (a) with chain referral marketing.        

     11. In my research, I have found similar complaints about Mac Inc., Symmetry Inc., and its affiliates on the Web site-- Rip-off report, in which I included the following link of complaints similar to what I have met http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q1=ALL&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=&q7=&q6=MAC%20-%20Symmetry&searchtype=0 . 

     12. On July 11, 2008, I called the Minnesota Better Business Bureau to confirm that MAC, Inc. belonged to the organization, in which case the BBB had no record of membership for either MAC, Inc or Symmetry Inc. 

     13. On July 11, 2008, I called the Minnesota Secretary of State to confirm that MAC, Inc is a registered business in the State of Minnesota. The Secretary of State told me there is no business listed under that name, in which I replied there is evidence that MAC, Inc had ran their business for a few years already in New Brighton, MN.     

     The Minnesota Secretary of State office said they are sending me a complaint form in the mail. 

     14. In addition, I believe that MAC, Inc., and Symmetry, Inc., also violate the Uniform Commercial Codes of employee versus contractor status for withholding taxes in their business organization—AFM Messenger Service, Inc. v. The Department of Employment Security. 198 III.2d 380, 763 N.E.2d 272, 261 III. Dec. 302 (2001).     

      I have wasted automobile fuel, four hours of my time, and I owe the baby-sitter for going on a fake job interview.                                                     

                                                            CONCLUSION     

      Here, MINN STAT §325F.69 Subd 1, 2 (1) (2) (a) held in State v. Thomas Arthur Solem, et al, 301 Minn.282, 222 N.W.2d 98 (Minn. 1974) is the controlling law and I believe the Minnesota State Attorneys Office and other government agencies must act to conduct a thorough investigation of MAC, Inc. The State of Minnesota could expose and shut down MAC, Inc., and Symmetry Inc, from using deceitful business practices of chain referral marketing.      

      I believe that both, MAC, Inc., and Symmetry, Inc., lure reasonable people into an implied employment opportunity disguised as chain referral sales, in which it produces greater residual income to senior representatives.            

      The crime here is deceiving reasonable people through recruiting on the premise of employment for “helping others,” in which case I believe that many unsuspecting people help build wealth and financial independence for their senior distributors with recruitment and product sales.       

      In addition, I believe that MAC, Inc., and Symmetry, Inc violate UCC business tax codes, in which case unwary Minnesota citizens are prone to further victimization. 

                                                               NOTARY      

       I, "Brighan", state the facts in this declaration are true to the best of my knowledge under the law of perjury in the State of Minnesota. 

Notary Stamp or Seal    Notarized at Rosemount Nat’l Bank    1351 Arcade St.    St. Paul, MN  55106

I have signed in the presence of a Notary or witness on July 14, 2008. /s/______________________________ "Brighan", paralegal.    

 

If you like more information about chain letters and other frauds, please follow the link to Soulight's aidpage.    

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olala
 in response to j c...   just got an appointment from a Sara telling me to come to 2727 highway 694 new brighton, mn across from a ford dealership on a service road. same story, lower level, i asked the company name and she said Imac it sounded like. the number was 651-633-4312. I got her number off a sign posted in the grass near a 694 exit. I assume now this is a scam ? I have an appointment for thursday.
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Starshine
 in response to whoweis...   Hello
I did MLM marketing and lost money in 2x2 matrix. I have sold Amway and it was good but I wasn't getting anywhere when I started again. I love their soap for clothes but many people can find cheaper at the store. Maybe I will start again when I have the money to start up again. Glad it is working for you.
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whoweis
MLM is legit if you ask me. The thing is people expect to "get rich quick". You actually have to put out work when doing MLM jobs. I'm not saying there aren't any scams out there, but just like any other job you apply for you should do your research before jumping into things. Just because someone says money money money doesn't mean you're really going to make the money. I'm an IBO for Amway and so far it is paying off pretty well for me. It isn't easy work as someone said in their post. You actually have to get up and sell and network with other people. The great thing about it is just a few years of hard work can pay off the rest of your life.
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AnoraE
 in response to Destroyer...   

Destroyer-

A lot of those types of ads are from multi-level marketing agencies such as Quixtar (Used to be Amway), Herbalife, etc. It's the general catch phrase they use to peak the interest. They are not interested in those who have no interest and those types of ads get them more phone calls from those who might be willing to do such a thing. I've done both Amway (was in before they changed the name after being bought out by shareholders) and Herbalife. Both companies have wonderful products but it is a "sale" job without a base salary. If you are willing to keep your day job and work extra a night you can earn extra, but it's a great deal of work. You pretty much have to be willing to give up all your family time in order to get the business to a level that would allow you to do that job full time and give up your other job. It's a catch 22 so to speak. 

 

Namaste-Anora

 

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Destroyer

I found this strange flyer with phone numbers on it and it said you can make 1000 dollars a month and I thought it was strange. I don't want to apply for it, but I gave it a shot and it sounded like a strange buisness that I never knew about now. It seemed strange, but I'm wondering if it seems right. It's called Symmetry. It sounded shady and bad, but I want to know what's the real story about the company and such.

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positive thoughts
 in response to Brighan...   

Thankyou.  I also hear can be called duplicated system.

Take care

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Brighan

 BEWARE OF FRAUD!

I got the following e-mail after I posted ads on Craig's List. Would you think that if you are in a business for yourself that you would know how to post ads on Craig's List?

 

CRC Group wants people to post ads for them on Craig's List and other hoops to jump through, which I can smell a tightrope scam!

The problem is CRC Group, Inc. dissolved in Illinois years ago. Second, the law for arbitration is held in Nevada for any disputes. Third, workers are strewn all over the country with phone numbers not belonging to the stated personell, etc.

In addition, the BBB rates the company with a "B" rating because they have no contact or reports about the company. The Agent for the business list a Mr. patrick Egan at (815) 439-1549.

I urge caution for any person who wants to lose out on $80.00 or more, including the $2.95 for the free seven day trial for e-mail software.

 

 

Hello,

My name is Greg Sutherson and I just came across your ad on Craigslist. I own an advertising company and we would like to offer you $1500 for posting a couple ads each day on Craigslist for our company. We are currently overwhelmed with work and would like to outsource some of it to qualified people who can successfully post ads on Craigslist, and since you have a quality ad that we found, we would like to offer you this position.

This is just part-time work, so you don't need to quit your current job or rearrange your schedule. All you need to do is post 2 or 3 ads a day for us, depending on what our clients need. It only will take 15 minutes to do each day, and will last for about 4 or 5 days. Since you already know how to post an ad on Craigslist, this should be really easy for you to do, and we would be happy to have you work for us. We just need to get caught up with our clients' ads, as we are extremely back-logged.  However, depending how well you do, this could turn into a full-time position where you could work from home for us.

If you plan to participate then the following needs to be done:

1) You must fill out the following short form to receive your home income ad posting kit: CLICK HERE FOR THE FORM  The kit is completely free, since you can use the free trial option that we put into place for this project. Depending on your location, there may be a slight activation fee. However, this charge will be reimbursed to you when you receive your paycheck. (i.e., instead of $1500 you will receive $1502.97).

2) After you submitted your order for the free trial, please email us back with your name and confirmation number.

3) We will then contact you back with your first 2 ads that need to be posted on Craigslist for our clients. The ads are just promoting their businesses and services (typically car dealerships, appliance stores, restaurants, etc...), but once again, we have so many clients that we are getting swamped and we need help catching up.

* Spots are filling up quickly, so to reserve your spot, get your free trial ASAP. We are literally being contacted by a dozen people each hour. At the end of the 5 days, we will send you a check to the address we have on file for you. Unfortunately we cannot pay in advance due to people taking advantage of our free kit and compensation thereafter. However, if you can order your free kit and would like to schedule a phone conversation, I may be able to pay half up front and the other half after the work is completed. But once again, we would need to be able to have a phone conversation so I can verify your intentions of working with us.

Greg Sutherson

President, Founder

CRC Group, Inc.

 
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Lawyerchick

I got a phone call from 651-636-0643. They gave me the same address that shows up on previous comments: 2728 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN. So I googled the address to find out more about the company and found this page. Thank you for opening people's eyes. I would have gotten into a scam without knowing. So thanks!

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esesolox3

“A “John Barton” called me from 651-636-0225

yeah this is a freaking scam i had an appointment settled for tommorrow but after googling a lil bit about this "MAC company" everything came to light. He first said 2726 Hwy 694 then he changed it and said 2628 and then gave me weird directions to a street called innfvruck. well i guess this john fella is going to be waiting in vain for my tommorrow appointment

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j c
 in response to Brighan...   

I had an appointment for this company, they avoided telling me the company name until I asked, i'm hard up for a job so i made an appointment, i tried to go but the building had no name on it and he gave me the wrong street name for the address, so it was 2728 highway 694, lower level.  His name was Brian and his number was 651-344-5980.  I tried to contact him to find the place but he took 3 hours to call me back, so i told him i wont be coming out again and thanks for the inconvenience, i drove like 30 min to get there.  and i just found your web site, thank you for your information :)

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Brighan
 in response to Kim RN...   

To me, Symmetry is not anything more than common sense and overpriced products for sale.

Red flags should always arise when you wonder why do I need to sell pomegranate juice loaded with every known vitamin and mineral for $70.00 as a start up kit.

Minnesota law forbids chain level marketing, in which case my opinion is that Symmetry thinks they can operate as a direct marketing company. Symmetry asks new customers to buy products--Legal.

However, once Symmetry asks you if you would like to start a business for yourself and kicking back any type of fees, income, or mandatory product purchases--illegal.

No matter the outcome, Symmetry will gain new call contacts with your references and people you bring into the organization when you show up at the first "Job Interview" to "help people in the health and Wellness industry."

Be wary!

Genesis was reported to contain:

Apple juice, aloe vera juice, whole fruit grape extract and whole fruit pomegranate extract infused with barley grass, cinnamon bark, coriander leaf, coriander seed, cucumber, fig fruit..etc..

Brighan

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Kim RN

So do you know anything about their product Symmetry Genesis'?  Is it a scam? 

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Brighan
 in response to Strange phone call....   

You stated that the man replied--"so you would rather work there than in health care? You don't want to work within your major and make more money?"

Right there is a big red flag that should warn you that deception is in play. You should click on the links on the Aidpage and file a complaint with the BBB, The FTC, and the Minnesota Secretary of State.

The reason Mac, Inc. keeps on getting away with their business practice is because hardly anyone takes the time to alert the authorities.

You should have told him to take your name off of the contact list because someone else will call back within one year to try you out again and get names of other people.

Brighan

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Strange phone call.

The day i said i was going to that interview that guy called me again to make sure i new how to get there. I told him that i had found another job and that i was no longer interested in the position. He started asking me the kind of job that i found, and told me.... "so you would rather work there than in health care? You don't want to work within your major and make more money?" i kept saying no to all those questions, and he insited on me making money. When he got tired he asked me if I knew anyone who would be interested and i said no, then he hung up.

Thanks to this page I didn't waste my time with those people. I'm sure that even if I had gone to that place I wouldn't have accepted the "position" just becasue I hate the idea of selling stuff, and because I don't have money.

Thanks Brighan, and thanks to all who replied to my message! =]

ps. I'm a girl!

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Brighan
 in response to Strange phone call......   

You are repeating exactly what I went through with these people working at Mac, Inc.

The road is a frontage Northern road off of the Highway in a small business area in New Brighton.

Do you really feel that this is a scam of sorts? If so, then I suggest you call or write the BBB, the Minnesota Secretary of State, and the FTC to file a complaint about the "employment opportunity" Mac, Inc. offered to you to come in for an "Interview."

In my opinion, Mac, Inc. operates under dubious business practices to lure desparate people to sell or buy nutritional supplements under an illegal chain-referral marketing scheme.

Contact a business attorney to answer your business questions about Mac, Inc.

In addition, tell Mac to remove you from their contact list if you are not interested.

Brighan

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phoenix3
 in response to W H O K N E W...   

Good lookin out.That was really nice of you to take the time to check into that for him.I hope all is well for you.

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Anonymous
 in response to Strange phone call......   

that phone # is registered to :

Timothy Mellem

home

3286 Katie Ct

Saint Paul, MN 55112-7928

(651) 636-0225

the called you received is a scam. For several reasons:

  • "john Barton" is obviously not their name
  • they were very evasive with why they were calling
  • you never actually applied for the job
  • there is no MAC Corporation in MN
  • He told me that i was not going to be able to find the address looking up in the Internet or by GPS,
  • he was urging me to go there

Follow your instincts... if they call again, get all their information and when you hang up with them, call the police...

 

 

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Strange phone call...

A "John Barton" called me from 651-636-0225 two days ago and said he had a part time job form me. All he told me is that he was calling from "Mac corporation" and that they work "teaching and people live healthier lives." He wanted me to go that same day to an interview but i told him that i could't. Then he asked me to go the next day, but again i told him that i could not. He then asked me to go 3 days later and i told him that i would go. He gave me the address 2728 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN. He told me that i was not going to be able to find the address looking up in the Internet or by GPS, so he gave me detailed directions on how to get there. He told me i was going to be there for an hour with a group... (he didn't say group of what)... and that i should wear busniess casual.

I thought that the fact that he was urging me to go there, and the fact that the address he gave me was indeed hard to find using online maps was very suspicious. Another thing he said that the job he had would "work around my school schedule"... i thought it was too good to be true.

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