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Multi-Level Marketing: Is it legit or a pyramid scheme?

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I got the following e-mail after I posted ads on Craig's List. Would you think that if you are in a business for yourself that you would know how to post ads on Craig's List?


CRC Group wants people to post ads for them on Craig's List and other hoops to jump through, which I can smell a tightrope scam!

The problem is CRC Group, Inc. dissolved in Illinois years ago. Second, the law for arbitration is held in Nevada for any disputes. Third, workers are strewn all over the country with phone numbers not belonging to the stated personell, etc.

In addition, the BBB rates the company with a "B" rating because they have no contact or reports about the company. The Agent for the business list a Mr. patrick Egan at (815) 439-1549.

I urge caution for any person who wants to lose out on $80.00 or more, including the $2.95 for the free seven day trial for e-mail software.




My name is Greg Sutherson and I just came across your ad on Craigslist. I own an advertising company and we would like to offer you $1500 for posting a couple ads each day on Craigslist for our company. We are currently overwhelmed with work and would like to outsource some of it to qualified people who can successfully post ads on Craigslist, and since you have a quality ad that we found, we would like to offer you this position.

This is just part-time work, so you don't need to quit your current job or rearrange your schedule. All you need to do is post 2 or 3 ads a day for us, depending on what our clients need. It only will take 15 minutes to do each day, and will last for about 4 or 5 days. Since you already know how to post an ad on Craigslist, this should be really easy for you to do, and we would be happy to have you work for us. We just need to get caught up with our clients' ads, as we are extremely back-logged.  However, depending how well you do, this could turn into a full-time position where you could work from home for us.

If you plan to participate then the following needs to be done:

1) You must fill out the following short form to receive your home income ad posting kit: CLICK HERE FOR THE FORM  The kit is completely free, since you can use the free trial option that we put into place for this project. Depending on your location, there may be a slight activation fee. However, this charge will be reimbursed to you when you receive your paycheck. (i.e., instead of $1500 you will receive $1502.97).

2) After you submitted your order for the free trial, please email us back with your name and confirmation number.

3) We will then contact you back with your first 2 ads that need to be posted on Craigslist for our clients. The ads are just promoting their businesses and services (typically car dealerships, appliance stores, restaurants, etc...), but once again, we have so many clients that we are getting swamped and we need help catching up.

* Spots are filling up quickly, so to reserve your spot, get your free trial ASAP. We are literally being contacted by a dozen people each hour. At the end of the 5 days, we will send you a check to the address we have on file for you. Unfortunately we cannot pay in advance due to people taking advantage of our free kit and compensation thereafter. However, if you can order your free kit and would like to schedule a phone conversation, I may be able to pay half up front and the other half after the work is completed. But once again, we would need to be able to have a phone conversation so I can verify your intentions of working with us.

Greg Sutherson

President, Founder

CRC Group, Inc.

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I got a phone call from 651-636-0643. They gave me the same address that shows up on previous comments: 2728 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN. So I googled the address to find out more about the company and found this page. Thank you for opening people's eyes. I would have gotten into a scam without knowing. So thanks!

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“A “John Barton” called me from 651-636-0225

yeah this is a freaking scam i had an appointment settled for tommorrow but after googling a lil bit about this "MAC company" everything came to light. He first said 2726 Hwy 694 then he changed it and said 2628 and then gave me weird directions to a street called innfvruck. well i guess this john fella is going to be waiting in vain for my tommorrow appointment

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j c
 in response to Brighan...   

I had an appointment for this company, they avoided telling me the company name until I asked, i'm hard up for a job so i made an appointment, i tried to go but the building had no name on it and he gave me the wrong street name for the address, so it was 2728 highway 694, lower level.  His name was Brian and his number was 651-344-5980.  I tried to contact him to find the place but he took 3 hours to call me back, so i told him i wont be coming out again and thanks for the inconvenience, i drove like 30 min to get there.  and i just found your web site, thank you for your information :)

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 in response to Kim RN...   

To me, Symmetry is not anything more than common sense and overpriced products for sale.

Red flags should always arise when you wonder why do I need to sell pomegranate juice loaded with every known vitamin and mineral for $70.00 as a start up kit.

Minnesota law forbids chain level marketing, in which case my opinion is that Symmetry thinks they can operate as a direct marketing company. Symmetry asks new customers to buy products--Legal.

However, once Symmetry asks you if you would like to start a business for yourself and kicking back any type of fees, income, or mandatory product purchases--illegal.

No matter the outcome, Symmetry will gain new call contacts with your references and people you bring into the organization when you show up at the first "Job Interview" to "help people in the health and Wellness industry."

Be wary!

Genesis was reported to contain:

Apple juice, aloe vera juice, whole fruit grape extract and whole fruit pomegranate extract infused with barley grass, cinnamon bark, coriander leaf, coriander seed, cucumber, fig fruit..etc..


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Kim RN

So do you know anything about their product Symmetry Genesis'?  Is it a scam? 

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 in response to Strange phone call....   

You stated that the man replied--"so you would rather work there than in health care? You don't want to work within your major and make more money?"

Right there is a big red flag that should warn you that deception is in play. You should click on the links on the Aidpage and file a complaint with the BBB, The FTC, and the Minnesota Secretary of State.

The reason Mac, Inc. keeps on getting away with their business practice is because hardly anyone takes the time to alert the authorities.

You should have told him to take your name off of the contact list because someone else will call back within one year to try you out again and get names of other people.


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Strange phone call.

The day i said i was going to that interview that guy called me again to make sure i new how to get there. I told him that i had found another job and that i was no longer interested in the position. He started asking me the kind of job that i found, and told me.... "so you would rather work there than in health care? You don't want to work within your major and make more money?" i kept saying no to all those questions, and he insited on me making money. When he got tired he asked me if I knew anyone who would be interested and i said no, then he hung up.

Thanks to this page I didn't waste my time with those people. I'm sure that even if I had gone to that place I wouldn't have accepted the "position" just becasue I hate the idea of selling stuff, and because I don't have money.

Thanks Brighan, and thanks to all who replied to my message! =]

ps. I'm a girl!

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 in response to Strange phone call......   

You are repeating exactly what I went through with these people working at Mac, Inc.

The road is a frontage Northern road off of the Highway in a small business area in New Brighton.

Do you really feel that this is a scam of sorts? If so, then I suggest you call or write the BBB, the Minnesota Secretary of State, and the FTC to file a complaint about the "employment opportunity" Mac, Inc. offered to you to come in for an "Interview."

In my opinion, Mac, Inc. operates under dubious business practices to lure desparate people to sell or buy nutritional supplements under an illegal chain-referral marketing scheme.

Contact a business attorney to answer your business questions about Mac, Inc.

In addition, tell Mac to remove you from their contact list if you are not interested.


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 in response to W H O K N E W...   

Good lookin out.That was really nice of you to take the time to check into that for him.I hope all is well for you.

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 in response to Strange phone call......   

that phone # is registered to :

Timothy Mellem


3286 Katie Ct

Saint Paul, MN 55112-7928

(651) 636-0225

the called you received is a scam. For several reasons:

  • "john Barton" is obviously not their name
  • they were very evasive with why they were calling
  • you never actually applied for the job
  • there is no MAC Corporation in MN
  • He told me that i was not going to be able to find the address looking up in the Internet or by GPS,
  • he was urging me to go there

Follow your instincts... if they call again, get all their information and when you hang up with them, call the police...



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Strange phone call...

A "John Barton" called me from 651-636-0225 two days ago and said he had a part time job form me. All he told me is that he was calling from "Mac corporation" and that they work "teaching and people live healthier lives." He wanted me to go that same day to an interview but i told him that i could't. Then he asked me to go the next day, but again i told him that i could not. He then asked me to go 3 days later and i told him that i would go. He gave me the address 2728 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN. He told me that i was not going to be able to find the address looking up in the Internet or by GPS, so he gave me detailed directions on how to get there. He told me i was going to be there for an hour with a group... (he didn't say group of what)... and that i should wear busniess casual.

I thought that the fact that he was urging me to go there, and the fact that the address he gave me was indeed hard to find using online maps was very suspicious. Another thing he said that the job he had would "work around my school schedule"... i thought it was too good to be true.

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 in response to Bai...   

I just got a call from them randomly! I dont know what it is or if I am going to go to the appointment either.

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 in response to Bai...   

I've been to that address, in which case it is a small brick building that houses other businesses that includes Mac, Inc. The new address is right next door. The phone number you gave--651-636-6018--belongs to Casandra Beeman. The phone number is a business landline provided by Quest.

I'm just surprised the BBB or any other agency hasn't done anything yet to this company. The BBB sent Mac, Inc. a letter for the comapny to answer, but Mac, Inc. did not respond to the BBB.

Be very wary about this company, but go if you feel that you might gain some more insight to what I already posted here.

Report any illegal activity or just ask questions to any one of the regulatory agencys.


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I received a call from 651-636-6018. The company name is Mac Inc. This time the address is 2728 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN 55112. Does anyone get to that address before? I stupidly set an appointment but now I think I won't go.


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Someone had sent me the following education and help from scams link from the "Friends in Business."

This link is a compliment to the other aidpages that educate about scams, fraud, and other types of mischeif.

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If you need any help prosecuting MAC/Symmetry, I will help you. A "Shanna" called my boyfriend a couple days ago, and refused to leave the company name, or even a brief description of what the company does. My BF is desperately looking for part time work, so he allowed himself to have false hope and set up an appointment. Fortunately, I am the one who had to drive him, so he ran all this by me. I already knew something was strange if "Shanna" didn't feel it important to tell my BF anything about the company. In fact, she didn't even give him the exact address. The day of his appointment(today) I told him hed better call her and get the exact address and company name. He called her all day and she never called back. Eventually, just out of morbid curiousity, we drove there this afternoon for a 6:30pm appointment. I walked in with him(I already knew this had to be a scam but I wanted to let him find out for himself and I wanted to see the inside of it). I went downstairs shortly after my boyfriend was taken in to the room with the white board(I had taken my BF's wallet so he couldn't do anything stupid, and I told him that the second they mention an investment he better get up and leave). I asked the receptionist if I could have a business card, or brochure on this company, because I was looking for part time work. She actually told me that they don't have anything like that(business cards/brochures), and all she could do was have someone call me. I couldn't beleive that she was able to look me straight in the face and act like my asking about a way to research the company was an unusual thing... She actually almost beleived her own crap. Anyhow, after going back and forth about why I can't have any kind of information on the company, I chuckled and walked out to my car to wait for my BF. Sure enough, he came out 5 minutes later. They told him almost immediately about "the investment" and he got up and left. We laughed the whole way home.

The sad part is the few people(he saw these folks in the "seminar") that were surely going to be fooled by this scam. He saw a few people dressed in their best suits in the seminar, excited about a potential income. This made us both extremely sad when we reflected on it for a few minutes in the ride home.

Companies like this must be stopped. Let me know if you need help. You can email to get in touch with me.

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Marlene W writes about a Dominican Republic phone scam for phones charges, in which case the official site is AREA CODE  809

We actually received a call last week from the
  809  area code. The woman said 'Hey, this is Karen. Sorry I missed you--get back to us quickly. I Have something important to tell you.' Then she repeated a phone number beg inning with 809
  . 'We didn't respond'.

Then this week, we received the following e-mail:

   809  ,  284  AND  876


This one is being distributed all over the US . This is pretty scary, especially given the way they try to get you to call.   

Be sure you read this and pass it on.
They get you to call by telling you that it is information about a family member who has been ill or to tell you someone has-been arrested, died, or to let you know you have won a wonderful prize, etc. 
In each case, you are told to call the
  ;  809
  number right away. Since there are so many new area codes these days, people unknowingly return these calls.   

If you call from the  US , you will apparently be charged
   $2425   per-minute. 

Or, you'll get a long recorded message. The point is, they will try to keep you on the phone as long as possible to increase the charges. Unfortunately, when you get your phone bill, you'll often be charged more than 


The  809  area code is located in the
  Dominican Republic.
The charges afterwards can become a real nightmare. That's because you did actually make the call. If you complain, both your local phone company and your long distance carrier will not want to get involved and will most likely tell you that they are simply providing the billing for the foreign company. You'll end up dealing with a foreign company that argues they have done nothing wrong. 

Please forward this entire message to your friends, family and colleagues to help them become aware of this scam

Sandi Van Handel
AT&T Field Serv ice Manager
Additional information on these area codes can be found from ATT at:   
http ://  

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